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Traveller-digest    Saturday, December 18 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1524<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: technology advances<BR>
Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
re:silly traveller<BR>
Re: Ethnicity<BR>
Re: OT unless applying Kenji's corollary<BR>
Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: Ethnic Confusions<BR>
Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: silly traveller<BR>
Re: Ethnicity<BR>
Re: Ethnicity<BR>
Re Susidized Medicine<BR>
Re Caseless<BR>
The Ship's (bob)cat<BR>
Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
Re: Re Rations<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re: OT unless applying Kenji's corollary<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 03:30:08 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
From: Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
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> However LSD requires a lot more care and skill to make than meth.<BR>
>Here  in NZ, from what I've been told, most of the acid is laced with<BR>
>speed. Bear in mind that just because there's only a few micrograms<BR>
>of acid  there's no reason that 20 - 40 odd milligrams of speed can't<BR>
>be added.<BR>
<BR>
Yes, actually there is a really good reason that 20 - 40 odd milligrams of<BR>
speed can't be added. LSD is most frequently (and I mean most frequently)<BR>
sold on "tabs" of blotter paper, the average size of each individual hit is<BR>
maybe 4mm x 4mm or 5mm x 5mm and probably weighs in at about 2 milligrams.<BR>
That much speed just doesn't fit, and to borrow a phrase from an<BR>
over-publicized trial: "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit!"<BR>
<BR>
Of course, if LSD is sold in some other form, perhaps it's possible.<BR>
<BR>
It doesn't surprise me that you've been told that it is laced with speed,<BR>
though. Anywhere you go in the U.S. you will be told that LSD is laced with<BR>
either speed or strychnine. In the U.S. there are now and have been various<BR>
organizations which test street drugs, usually affiliated with hospitals and<BR>
the like. Even in the early 70s, before LSD made the leap to blotter paper,<BR>
strychnine and methamphetamine adulteration were both extremely low,<BR>
generally under five percent. I can't site a physical source at the moment,<BR>
as it's been nearly a decade since I did the research. The company PharmChem<BR>
used to test street drugs routinely, Dr. Alexander Shulgin, was (or is) the<BR>
toxicologist over at the University of California in Berkeley and, IIRC, his<BR>
work may be useful if you're interested in researching as he's done a lot of<BR>
work concerning LSD, impurities and adulterants.<BR>
<BR>
[Incidentally, I just checked the DEA's website to see if I could get a<BR>
quick reference, and there was no mention of the practice of LSD being cut<BR>
with other drugs. Make of that what you will, but if the practice was<BR>
common, I think that they might mention it, even in passing. They *did*<BR>
mention the practice of applying LSD to other substances and pawning them<BR>
off as something else which has a higher street value, but that's simply a<BR>
case of misrepresentation, not a case of LSD being cut with another<BR>
substance.]<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:44:37 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
Sethkimmel@aol.com wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> In a message dated 12/17/99 10:12:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,<BR>
> jimpeta@primus.com.au writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <<  A nice survival weapon for the IISS would be a bullpup 5mm/12Gauge combo<BR>
>  survival weapon. >><BR>
> <BR>
> Query: How do lefties use it? Granted it's caseless, but.... I look at<BR>
> pictures of modern bullpup weapons, and it looks like a lefty would have<BR>
> his/her face up against the ejector port. Can some of the gun/anti gun<BR>
> flamies help me with this one?<BR>
<BR>
Well, if the weapon _has_ an ejection port (for misfires, I guess, if<BR>
the weapon uses caseless ammo), then I would think that one could design<BR>
the stock with ejection ports on both sides.  Provide a couple of parts<BR>
to deflect the brass (if non-caseless) and/or non-firing rounds to the<BR>
side away from the firer's face, through the port in the appropriate<BR>
side of the stock, and you're in business.<BR>
<BR>
ISTR that the Steyr AUG bullpup rifle (fires 5.56mm NATO ammunition,<BR>
IIRC) is easily converted from right-handed to left-handed firing.<BR>
<BR>
Having been trained on the M16A1, I simply taught myself to fire<BR>
right-handed.  After all, while the US Army provided plastic brass<BR>
deflectors that clip onto the M16A1, I figured that, in combat, I might<BR>
not have a brass deflector handy.<BR>
> <BR>
> Ob Trav: I assume everything is ambi, or gene therapy has eliminated left<BR>
> hand dominance (sounds very Solomani, doesn't it...:-) )<BR>
<BR>
Probably the former; it's quite possible that left-hand dominance is a<BR>
trait linked to some desirable trait, and that eliminating left-hand<BR>
dominance would also eliminate the desirable trait.  Besides, I would<BR>
think it unwise to remove _any_ trait from the gene pool, unless it can<BR>
be shown that the trait is both uniformly harmful, and has no<BR>
counterbalancing benefits.  F'r instance, while sickle-cell anemia<BR>
(having two recessive sickle-cell genes) is harmful, sickle-cell _trait_<BR>
(having only one sickle-cell gene) provides resistance to malaria.  The<BR>
most likely course would be to discourage two recessive gene carriers<BR>
from having children that would inherit the harmful recessive gene from<BR>
both parents.  How this would be achieved would depend on the<BR>
technological prowess and cultural values of the society in question. <BR>
(In other words, with one OT flamewar already raging on the list, I<BR>
choose not to kindle another one.)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:49:26 CST<BR>
From: "Rick Stump" <rick_stump@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: re:silly traveller<BR>
<BR>
>redroach@flex.net writes:<BR>
><BR>
><< My other question is this: Okay, you have the genes to be a priest, but <BR>
>how<BR>
>  many still have any clue as to the actual rituals?  Am I wrong in <BR>
>thinking<BR>
>  that  no one has really performed any official "temple" rituals in a <BR>
>while?<BR>
>   >><BR>
><BR>
>I am pretty sure it's all described in the Torah (Old Testamet), in I think<BR>
>Exodus and/or Levitticus...<BR>
<BR>
Don't forget Deuteronomy!<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
>Ob Trav: would the Koran, Torah and King James Bible be recognizable in <BR>
>5700<BR>
>AD?<BR>
<BR>
Not counting later additions (see the Book of Mormon) or heavy edits (like <BR>
the Melchizedek Bible) the 'core books' would almost certainly survive, <BR>
probably very accurate and with a number of Hebrew, Greek, and Arabic <BR>
scholars as a result. The idea of promoting education as a means to the end <BR>
of better religious knowledge has been an impetus to education for the <BR>
entire world. The Jewish dedication to education, the rise of the Mullah <BR>
groups in Arabic lands, the European college system, the examination process <BR>
of dynastic China, the oral histories of Celtic, African, Native American, <BR>
and Central Asian groups were primarily for the retention and transmission <BR>
of religious/philosophical information.<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: Would the graduates of various Vilani 'cooking schools' have heated <BR>
arguments over 'dogma'? What would Muslims do if they could never perform <BR>
the Hajj? Do various Christian sects argue about if you must be on Terra to <BR>
experience the Rapture?<BR>
<BR>
- -Rick 'what's so odd about a Theology major with a dual minor in Chinese Lit <BR>
and Physics?' Stump<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:59:34 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnicity<BR>
<BR>
From: GaryBartz@aol.com<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>I am going to weigh in. In my travels [one year in Europe, two in Asia] I<BR>
have found that America cries the most about racism and not respecting<BR>
people's whatever, but in Asia they all know each other's ethnic background<BR>
[while after two years I could make a good guess on sight], and they mostly<BR>
connect that first look to their entire feelings about that person, usually<BR>
disdain or hate, and they have no problem sharing those feelings, no matter<BR>
how rude.<BR>
><BR>
The reasons that Americans complain more is that Americans think racism is<BR>
*wrong*-- well, often they don't think so, but they know they should SAY so,<BR>
and they do say so.<BR>
<BR>
In large parts of Asia racism is perfectly acceptable, I say this as one who<BR>
has faced it. I don't know what the Hong Kong Chinese find more odious-- the<BR>
fact that I'm Japanese, or the fact that I'm Irish (which they often confuse<BR>
with British despite the fact that we were forcibly colonized too)!  And I<BR>
just love (NOT) how I get followed around in department stores whenever I<BR>
get too far away from Osaka or Tokyo because I am slightly pale and wear a<BR>
leather jacket.<BR>
<BR>
>I much prefer the American attitude towards race, even with the regular TV<BR>
breast beatings and rallies [unless, of course, they preempt Scooby-Doo].<BR>
"Hey, you are an Asian, are you in one of those gangs? No? Okay." is much<BR>
prefered to "You invaded my nation X ^x years ago, I hate you, you are<BR>
subhuman" in my book.<BR>
><BR>
I'd certainly rather DEAL with that attitude.  It's just that I haven't<BR>
encountered it a lot.  I'm more familiar with being harassed by white people<BR>
when I'm out with my boyfriend, outside of California or even up north of<BR>
here in the wilderness near Sacramento. (Remember, guys, I can pass for<BR>
white.)<BR>
<BR>
"Are you with the OOOOOOOOOriental gentleman?"<BR>
<BR>
"Hey, I just want you two to know that I am a WWII veteran."<BR>
<BR>
Or even worse, I and a person I'm dating are out with a group of friends, we<BR>
specifically say we're together, and the waitress adds my check up with the<BR>
only white guy at the table anyway.<BR>
<BR>
::grrr::<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan         93!      Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is<BR>
sacred somewhere.  There's<BR>
a deity out here who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest side,<BR>
disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.  It's all about giving<BR>
yourself permission."<BR>
                                     -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 01:30:19 -0800<BR>
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)<BR>
Subject: Re: OT unless applying Kenji's corollary<BR>
<BR>
>From: ehenry@newberlin.org (Eric Henry)<BR>
>Subject: OT unless applying Kenji's corollary<BR>
><BR>
>I've written a space combat game the history of which has combined USA and<BR>
>Canada into the Union of North America.  How would Canadians feal about<BR>
>that?  Americans?  Would it help that in 2080 the president-elect from<BR>
>Toronto gives a "before the decade is out" speech<BR>
<BR>
  Picture a Senate with around 20 new members who would consider<BR>
Teddy Kennedy to be right wing :) The Republican Party would have<BR>
to be utterly brain-dead to risk losing that chamber for a couple<BR>
of generations at least.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:25:29 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
On 18 Dec 99, at 2:44, Black ICE wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Having been trained on the M16A1, I simply taught myself to fire<BR>
> right-handed.  After all, while the US Army provided plastic brass<BR>
> deflectors that clip onto the M16A1, I figured that, in combat, I might<BR>
> not have a brass deflector handy. > > Ob Trav: I assume everything is<BR>
> ambi, or gene therapy has eliminated left > hand dominance (sounds very<BR>
> Solomani, doesn't it...:-) )<BR>
<BR>
It's funny, but I never had a problem with the M16A1s. I don't know <BR>
whether our ammo was different, or whether the weapon were just so worn <BR>
they didn't kick the cases hard enough, but the only time I ever had <BR>
anything happen was when a plastic blank melted on ejection and <BR>
splattered across my right cheek (and the inside of the receiver, <BR>
jamming the rifle).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:25:29 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
On 18 Dec 99, at 3:09, Sethkimmel@aol.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> In a message dated 12/17/99 10:12:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
> jimpeta@primus.com.au writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> <<  A nice survival weapon for the IISS would be a bullpup 5mm/12Gauge<BR>
> combo<BR>
>  survival weapon. >><BR>
> <BR>
> Query: How do lefties use it? Granted it's caseless, but.... I look at<BR>
> pictures of modern bullpup weapons, and it looks like a lefty would have<BR>
> his/her face up against the ejector port. Can some of the gun/anti gun<BR>
> flamies help me with this one?<BR>
<BR>
The Styer AUG and the French FA-MAS(?) both use a bolt that can have <BR>
the ejector switched to the other side, thus throwing the cases to the <BR>
left as opposed to the right. They also have an ejection port on each <BR>
side, and you just cover the one you're not using. However this is not <BR>
something you can do in the heat of the moment, so I strongly recommend <BR>
that you make sure that your buddy has the same handedness as yourself -<BR>
 those cases are bloody hot! Oh, yeah - even with the right handedness <BR>
weapon watch hip-fire, too. The cases tend to get caught on your hip, <BR>
and can burn (or worse, jam the weapon).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:33:14 -0900<BR>
From: Richard Martin <asrlm@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic Confusions<BR>
<BR>
"Douglas E. Berry" wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> At 12:56 AM 12/17/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >Curious question then...if the Solomani are the most physically diverse,<BR>
> >then what parts of Earth did the Vilani and Zhodani come from?<BR>
> <BR>
> Any part.  Since the the samples taken by the Ancients could have been h.<BR>
> habilus, each branch of humanity continued evolving on its own on whatever<BR>
> world it was dropped on.<BR>
> --<BR>
<BR>
Actually, if I get the story line correct, the Ancients distributed Homo<BR>
around 3-400,000 years ago? If so then it would have been Homo erectus,<BR>
not Homo habilis or Homo sapiens. The first known populations Homo<BR>
sapiens, at least by the majority of scholars, were probably around<BR>
100,000 to 150,000 years ago (archaic Homo sapiens), probably in South<BR>
Africa. This would collate with the African Eve theory based on<BR>
mitochondrial DNA. Indeed, there is more diversity amoung the<BR>
populations in Africa than between Africa and the rest of the world.<BR>
<BR>
However, there is a minority competeing theory called regional evolution<BR>
put forth that claims that all the regional variation in the human<BR>
species was due to parallel evolution in diverse, semi-isolated<BR>
population of Homo Erectus with just enough admixture to keep us all one<BR>
species.<BR>
<BR>
So if one takes the fist theory and grabs a population of at least 1000<BR>
(the number necessary for sucessful propogation with minimal effects of<BR>
Founders Syndrome), then they would have of all likely hood come from<BR>
Africa since this is the only possible viable source of sucessful sub<BR>
species of Home erectus. However, the second theory would allow for the<BR>
small phenotypical differences aoung the Human race by because of the<BR>
regional viablility of Homo erectus, thus they could have been snatched<BR>
from anywhere H. erectus was found.<BR>
<BR>
All of this would, of course, be moot if the Ancients just said to heck<BR>
with it and introduced their own solutions....  <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Richard Martin<BR>
Anthropolgy Major<BR>
UAA<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I think, therefor I am, therefor I must be... Still here<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 03:50:25 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
Rupert Boleyn wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> On 18 Dec 99, at 2:44, Black ICE wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Having been trained on the M16A1, I simply taught myself to fire<BR>
> > right-handed.  After all, while the US Army provided plastic brass<BR>
> > deflectors that clip onto the M16A1, I figured that, in combat, I might<BR>
> > not have a brass deflector handy. <BR>
> <BR>
> It's funny, but I never had a problem with the M16A1s. I don't know<BR>
> whether our ammo was different, or whether the weapon were just so worn<BR>
> they didn't kick the cases hard enough, but the only time I ever had<BR>
> anything happen was when a plastic blank melted on ejection and<BR>
> splattered across my right cheek (and the inside of the receiver,<BR>
> jamming the rifle).<BR>
<BR>
OUCH!<BR>
<BR>
Seriously, the first day I saw my M16A1 in basic training, long before<BR>
we actually sent rounds downrange, I decided to shoot right-handed (even<BR>
though I had learned to shoot civilian rifles left-handed).  When I saw<BR>
that ejector port, I figured, "Why take the risk?"<BR>
<BR>
Nearly 16 years later, I've managed to qualify on the M16A1/M16A2 every<BR>
training year, so shooting with my "off-hand" (and weak eye) for rifles<BR>
hasn't hurt me much.  (I have some sort of weird task-related hand<BR>
dominance: I play pool, open jars, and shoot civilian rifles<BR>
left-handed; and I write, throw, and shoot the M16 right-handed.)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 04:15:11 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: silly traveller<BR>
<BR>
Rick Stump wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
> ObTrav: Would the graduates of various Vilani 'cooking schools' have heated<BR>
> arguments over 'dogma'? What would Muslims do if they could never perform<BR>
> the Hajj? Do various Christian sects argue about if you must be on Terra to<BR>
> experience the Rapture?<BR>
<BR>
1.  Given the speculation about Vilani canniblaism, I doubt that the<BR>
Vilani would be squeamish about cooking "dog"mas.  Naturally, dogmas<BR>
such as chihuahuas, with their high metabolisms, would be less efficient<BR>
sources of protein than dogmas such as St. Bernards....  >;-)<BR>
<BR>
2.  For a discussion of this very issue, check the TML archives<BR>
beginning in early November 1999 for the topic "Islamic Observances in<BR>
Interstellar Space."  (Yes, Rick, I started the thread in question, in<BR>
response to a previous thread on "Cultural Differences.")<BR>
<BR>
3.  I strongly suspect that, if the Rapture hasn't occurred by M:1100<BR>
(approximately AD 5700), the entire concept of the Rapture would be<BR>
somewhat discredited.<BR>
> <BR>
> -Rick 'what's so odd about a Theology major with a dual minor in Chinese Lit<BR>
> and Physics?' Stump<BR>
<BR>
No accounting for the behavior of SIGINT weenies.... ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Of course, as a soul-twisted (and soul-twisting) HUMINTer, there's only<BR>
one way to respond to _my_ likely behavior:  Keep Your Distance.  (I<BR>
recently received an Army Achievement Medal for scripting an exercise<BR>
for my National Guard unit.  The last sentence of the citation read: <BR>
"When SFC Groth dies, he will go to Hell as a black-hatted cadre<BR>
member."  'Nuff said.)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 05:20:15 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnicity<BR>
<BR>
My take on races, and please, someone who is knowledgeable in genetics<BR>
please correct me if I am wrong, is that there is only one human race and<BR>
that the various branches of it are merely human adaptations to climate.<BR>
Ergo, it follows that if MY ancestors were born in Africa, I too would be<BR>
black and not white as I am today.  I also think that in a few millennia,<BR>
the people who are black and always living in the northern, colder climates,<BR>
will eventually breed light-skinned people, unless they keep re-infusing<BR>
their gene pools from other blacks migrating north.<BR>
<BR>
In essence, to my way of thinking, this invalidates 'racism' and 'hate<BR>
crimes' attached to it because we are all one human race.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
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- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 3:59 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnicity<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> From: GaryBartz@aol.com<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> >I am going to weigh in. In my travels [one year in Europe, two in Asia] I<BR>
> have found that America cries the most about racism and not respecting<BR>
> people's whatever, but in Asia they all know each other's ethnic<BR>
background<BR>
> [while after two years I could make a good guess on sight], and they<BR>
mostly<BR>
> connect that first look to their entire feelings about that person,<BR>
usually<BR>
> disdain or hate, and they have no problem sharing those feelings, no<BR>
matter<BR>
> how rude.<BR>
> ><BR>
> The reasons that Americans complain more is that Americans think racism is<BR>
> *wrong*-- well, often they don't think so, but they know they should SAY<BR>
so,<BR>
> and they do say so.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:17:52 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnicity<BR>
<BR>
>My take on races, and please, someone who is knowledgeable in genetics<BR>
>please correct me if I am wrong, is that there is only one human race and<BR>
>that the various branches of it are merely human adaptations to climate.<BR>
>Ergo, it follows that if MY ancestors were born in Africa, I too would be<BR>
>black and not white as I am today.  I also think that in a few millennia,<BR>
>the people who are black and always living in the northern, colder<BR>
climates,<BR>
>will eventually breed light-skinned people, unless they keep re-infusing<BR>
>their gene pools from other blacks migrating north.<BR>
><BR>
>In essence, to my way of thinking, this invalidates 'racism' and 'hate<BR>
>crimes' attached to it because we are all one human race.<BR>
<BR>
     The best thing about this is I can have Poodle-Vargr', it really winds<BR>
up one of my players.<BR>
Do Vargr have to have all the little problems dogs have? Anal glands spring<BR>
to mind, don't go anywhere near Vargr enjoying themselves.<BR>
    I will now go and disgust someone else.<BR>
    : )<BR>
    Jim L.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 01:22:47 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Susidized Medicine<BR>
<BR>
>>The socialized medicine thing would have to go, however.<BR>
><BR>
>We don't have "socialized medicine" -- we have a publicly-funded universal<BR>
>health care insurance plan. Think of it as a "single-payer" system like<BR>
>I keep reading about that some people down your way propose.<BR>
><BR>
>(In a true "socialized medicine" system, doctors are employees of the<BR>
>state and are paid a flat salary; private practice is virtually unknown.<BR>
>I have relatives in Europe in countries that have socialized medicine --<BR>
>when they need a doctor, the only thing they can do is go to the local<BR>
>clinic and wait for the next availble doctor, whoever it might be.)<BR>
><BR>
If the "Single Payer System" isn't a form of socialized medicine, nothing<BR>
except the US PHS and similar would be. Looking at the socialized medicine<BR>
in the US, it is often payments set at specified rate, and the doctor may<BR>
as well be on government wage... and, at least in Alaska's Mental Health<BR>
Care System, the payment rate is low enough that most private practitioners<BR>
won't take the cases... Fromm what I've read, canada's system is somewhat<BR>
better... but, like other forms of limited socialization of a field, prices<BR>
tend to be at or near the "approved rates".<BR>
<BR>
I know that my office's rates for clients are set to the State Subsidy<BR>
levels... basically, since we can't charge more than Medicaid and Medicare<BR>
will pay, and we aren't allowed to have different pricing for non-medicare,<BR>
except on a case by case, income-based sliding scale, most private carriers<BR>
set payment rates for Mental Health to the Medicaid/Medicare levels... so<BR>
all our client time is billed at the subsidy rate, OR LESS...<BR>
<BR>
Ob Trav: I can think of only a few fields that would have subsidies in the<BR>
3I: Shipping, Ships, and System Forces. Maybe commo and starports... IMTU,<BR>
the "standard Rates" are the 3I's voucher redemption rates for 3I personell<BR>
and equipment travelling.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 01:37:44 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Caseless<BR>
<BR>
><<  A nice survival weapon for the IISS would be a bullpup 5mm/12Gauge combo<BR>
> survival weapon. >><BR>
><BR>
>Query: How do lefties use it? Granted it's caseless, but.... I look at<BR>
>pictures of modern bullpup weapons, and it looks like a lefty would have<BR>
>his/her face up against the ejector port. Can some of the gun/anti gun<BR>
>flamies help me with this one?<BR>
><BR>
The one (and only) caseless weapon I've ever seen didn't have an ejector<BR>
port at all... The primer goes down the barrel. (I don't know the model,<BR>
nor the maker, and the guy in posession was into expensive custom guns.<BR>
<BR>
 /------+ |<BR>
<       | +----------------]<BR>
 \------+ |<BR>
 ^^       ^^<BR>
 Slug     Primer mount (propellent surrounds the pin, and the plate abuts<BR>
on the slug...<BR>
<BR>
in case of duds, the upper reciever opened easily.<BR>
<BR>
>Ob Trav: I assume everything is ambi, or gene therapy has eliminated left<BR>
>hand dominance (sounds very Solomani, doesn't it...:-) )<BR>
<BR>
If the primer goes down the barrel, then the only factor is the human<BR>
interface... I'd rather have a hand-specific grip (more comfortable) than<BR>
an ambidexterous grip. (I've done a *LITTLE* competitive shooting, with<BR>
both handed and ambi weapons). Cutlases with half baskets are NOT likely to<BR>
be fully ambi, nor are the "Blade" 3/4 basket short-sword/long dagger;<BR>
ironically, most full baskets are ambi.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 01:29:23 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: The Ship's (bob)cat<BR>
<BR>
>>Ob Trav: I never saw any articles about plumbing or bodily functions in<BR>
>>canon. I always wondered what you did about pets. Who walks the dog, or<BR>
>>changes the cat litterbox?<BR>
><BR>
IMTU, I once let a PC have a trained semi-uplifted bobcat. It was trained<BR>
to use the fresher. It later became a PC. The phrase "Dingle, Dingle,<BR>
Dingle" is enough to get groans from any of the players who were in the<BR>
group at that time. Name of the Cat was Damncat!. When it was discovered he<BR>
really was sentient, he became a citizen, following his assignment to the<BR>
Huscarles of a Duchess.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:44:36 +1300<BR>
From: "Andrew Moffatt-Vallance" <a.vallance@netaccess.co.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Marooned (MegaT)<BR>
<BR>
From:           	Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
Date sent:      	Sat, 18 Dec 1999 03:09:15 EST<BR>
<BR>
> Query: How do lefties use it? Granted it's caseless, but.... I look at <BR>
> pictures of modern bullpup weapons, and it looks like a lefty would have <BR>
> his/her face up against the ejector port. Can some of the gun/anti gun <BR>
> flamies help me with this one?<BR>
<BR>
As one of those lefties myself, this question has particular relevance to me.<BR>
Another problem you missed is the safety/selector switch and the magazine<BR>
release (these are generally designed for right handers too). Most modern<BR>
military rifles either can be changed for either left or right handed firing (such<BR>
as the Steyr AUG) or come in left and right handed versions (such as the<BR>
Enfield L64). But it really is a problem. Back when I was trained I used either<BR>
a FN-FAL or a Sterling SMG, neither of which is leftie friendly. It was a real<BR>
pain, I even resorted to firing the Sterling upsidedown on occasion!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Andrew etc<BR>
Homepage http://users.netaccess.co.nz/amv/<BR>
Traveller http://www.downport.com/amv/<BR>
 "What do you expect from a species who's females are<BR>
 always in heat" Ko of the Ilui clan on Humans and honour<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:18:11 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Rations<BR>
<BR>
At 3:26 -0500 18/12/99, "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com> wrote:<BR>
> >Ob Trav: I never saw any articles about plumbing or bodily functions in<BR>
> >canon. I always wondered what you did about pets. Who walks the dog, or<BR>
> >changes the cat litterbox?<BR>
><BR>
>Memo: To Andy & Dom<BR>
><BR>
>Forget about even asking.  I am *not* writing "101 Freshers"<BR>
<BR>
:-) LoL<BR>
<BR>
I'm not sure what a first year university student ('fresher') has to <BR>
do with litter boxes?<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
Rob Prior's Mac software @ http://www.bits.org.uk/ <BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:35:02 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
On 12/17/1999 23:36, Sethkimmel@aol.com wrote:<BR>
<snip><BR>
> <BR>
> Ob Trav: would the Koran, Torah and King James Bible be recognizable in 5700<BR>
> AD?<BR>
> <BR>
Yes. In DGP's old Traveller's Digest 19, there was an interview with Desmond<BR>
Trinoch, Chairman of the Solomani Confederation High Council. In it he<BR>
specifically refers to the "Holy Bible of old Terra" and tells a quick<BR>
snippet of the story of King Solomon, the baby and the two mothers. He uses<BR>
the analogy to compare the factions' greed (except the Solomani of course)<BR>
in allowing their child, the Imperium, "...to be murdered. No man or woman<BR>
who would commit such a crime is worthy to lead any other."<BR>
<BR>
Great article, but then again this is the Solomani Movement that's being<BR>
highlighted here. They too have their heroes and villains.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:41:57 -0500<BR>
From: "Josh W. Spencer" <macmanjws@earthlink.net><BR>
Subject: Re: OT unless applying Kenji's corollary<BR>
<BR>
From: Eric Henry <ehenry@newberlin.org><BR>
>> <BR>
>> The socialized medicine thing would have to go, however.<BR>
<BR>
On 12/18/1999 00:54, Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> That's funny, I didn't think that Canada had socialized medicine. On the<BR>
> other hand, having seen the economic hardship that prolonged sickness can,<BR>
> and more often than not, does bring onto families, I'm far from convinced<BR>
> that "capitalized medicine" is all that much better.<BR>
> <BR>
And Canada's single-payer system is what all the media wants us to look<BR>
toward for a "better health care system, just like Bill and Hillary. BAD<BR>
EXAMPLE for Americans! Other countries, such as the Federal Republic of<BR>
Germany, have a health care system which is a partnership between the<BR>
government, the providers and the insurers. I have a nephew who will be 9 in<BR>
January, and he was born in a German hospital (and for now he has dual<BR>
citizenship), there were some complications in his delivery. He eventually<BR>
came through OK, but at least his mother (my sister) didn't have to worry<BR>
about the bills.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Josh<BR>
<BR>
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